My father's load using 40 gr of IMR 4198 shot at 1702 fps The best range load for this powder, bullet and rifle seems to be around the 45 gr of IMR 3031 mark Even though I now had loads for 4570 using these 405 gr cast bullets, I wondered what Hornady 325 gr Leverevolution ammunition would chronograph It was travelling at 15 fps For lower powered loads with 4570 Unique is the way to go 1014 grs behind gr lead bullet is a great shooter that wont kill your shoulder TWell me being me @ 75kg thought I
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405 grain 45-70 load data- Sixgun wrote11 grains of Unique (loose in the case) with about any lead bullet you haveVelocity is between 1000 and 1100 I have shots tens of thousands of these loads through Trapdoors, 16's, '95 Marlins, old Sharps rifles (the one pictured in my avatar) and anything else I could find that was chambered for the 4570 I use Trail Boss for several different calibers, but 4570 is not one of them To make a long story short, the loads listed for Trail Boss and a 405 Grain bullet have a lower velocity and a higher pressure than loads woth 4064 and 45, both of which have given me excellent results in my 14 Trapdoor rifle
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But, for example, this site has lots of load data and is showing 14gr of Unique under a 405gr bullet for about 1170fps, which might translate to about 1300fps or so with a 300gr bullet 4570 Government Powder Weight /Velocity Data for the 405gr FPbb Here is a thread with a lot of good information about reduced loads4570 Government 405 grain RNFP This is our favorite 45/70 load for casual plinking These bullets are custom made with a softer alloy that is ideal for the lower pressure and velocity of a proper Trapdoor load If you are a purist and can't wrap your head around shooting jacketed Trapdoor loadsthis one's for you 1,280 FPS (24″) 405Notes These loads are for all guns in GOOD CONDITION With NEVER EXCEED LOADS maintain Minimum Over All Length or longer Large Rifle primer (Modern Reloading Second Edition Richard Lee) Be Alert Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data
27 grs Accurate 5744 and a 405 cast bullet shoots ragged hole groups at 100 yards and runs 1300 fps out of my Sharps 4570 You can load that Ruger from trapdoor springfield loads to just under 458 Win mag loads Do not use any filler or card wads with Accurate 5744 powder It is designed for these large cases and is not position sensitive Remington CoreLokt 405gr SP Standard Remington Core Lokt4570 ammo is loaded to the original4570 Government specifications of a 405 grain bullet at just under 1,350 feet per second For that reason, Remington advertises that it'sThe 405 gr 4570 bullets look great and they weighed out great imo all fell within / 15 gr not that bad for cast bullets Will let you know how they shoot asap 405 lead hairyo working up loads for 15 guide gun good luck so far Great 4570 Bullets Brian L
4570 405 grain RNFP Hard Cast Bullets for Reloading This is a very accurate 4570 Cast Bullet, perfect for lever action rifles as well as single shots The 405 gr bullet has a long history as being the most popular bullet loaded for the 4570 The lube utilized on these bullets is #1 I just picked up a 99% Ruger #1 in 4570 and need some input on load data I was hoping to use 405 gr cast bullets with a gas check but am open to other successful loads I have a multitude of loading manuals, many are not current and there are so many new bullets for this calibre it makes choosing one a challengeFrom what I've read and been told, "loading a 405 gr projectile @ 00 fps has too much kick and hurts to shoot"?
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Loads for 405 gr lee cast in 45/70 Jump to Latest Follow 1 10 of 10 Posts M missed_shot Registered Joined 166 Posts Discussion Starter #1 I just cast about 50 405 gr hollow base 45/70 bullets from Lee your probably using a lever gun (you never told us) With a 325 grain bullet, you can expect something in the area 1950 fps, and drop about 100fps with the 350 grain bullet I recommend the Speer 405 grain bullet Works very well in the 450 Marlin, so it should do well in the 4570 Loads for 45/70 (Note These are near MAXIMUM loads, you should use 10% less to start) Powders) Bullet sizes vary from 458″ for jacketed to 459″ for some lead in diameter and other factors, you may not get near the FPS charted It is just a guide and the reason you should start under these charges and work up
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It was a black powder charge load I've shot original 4570 black powder loads with the 405 grain lead bullets with the standard Infantry 70 grain loads and they whalloped like crazy in a Carbine The 500 grain load would 'kill at one end and maim at the other'The4570 was first introduced as the45 Government for the army's new Model 1873 rifles and carbines Case length was 2100 inches for use with a 405grain roundnose leadalloy bullet of457inch diameter The initial powder charge was 70 grains of black powder Lyman 49 says reloader 7 has been a long time favorite for 4570 Lyman's # (405 grain) cast with #2 alloy data For 1873 (Trapdoor) Springfield Reloader 7 370 grains start, 390 grains max 1,578 fps from a 24" universal receiver (all use rem brass and rem 91/2 primer) No data for RX7 and this bullet in the 16 Winchester & 15
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Just tried Hodgdon's midrange load for 4570 with 405g bullet in original Springfield trapdoor MV was 10 (average of 5 shots) compared to 1370 from Pinnacle loads, and benchrest groupings at 100 yards were modest (15"18" and to the right) compared to results from Pinnacle (8"10" groupings and pretty much dead on) I just picked up a Marlin 15G in 4570 Bought some dies (Hornady 3 dies), cases, primers, powder, and 405gr RNFP's I was hoping some "old timers" , wouldn't mind sharing some of there lessons learned with me4570 Government Loads 4570 Applications by M L McPherson, Tue, Synopsis Anyone who has worked with the 4570 Government with loads using blackpowder, smokeless to match blackpowder performance, or smokeless loads at higher pressure, soon learns that this cartridge offers phenomenal performanceIndeed, it will forever remain unsurpassed as
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405gr RNFP 45/70 load Just picked up a nice used Marlin 15GBL and ordered up some of these commercial cast bullets Locking for some suggested starting loads Will be using Starline brass 405 GR IMR4064 is a very slow powder for the 4570 I doubt you can get enough of it in the case to reach dangerous pressures 55 grains compressed under a 405 grain bullets only generates 26,700 CUP The Marlin 15 4570 has a safe operating pressure of 40,000 CUP SNumber of Loads4570 Goverment (T/C Handgun / using Hornady bullets) Government Government (in a Sharps Model 1874 / Venturino Data) Government (16 Winchester and 15 Marlin) (Speer Data) Government (16 Winchester Model 22inch Barrel) Government (15 Marlin) (Barnes Reloading Manual #3) 52
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Questions Loading the 4570 , 1317 I have a Marlin 15 GG in 4570 and I want to start rolling my own ammo for it I plan to use the rifle as a close range moose and bear gun I have a box of Oregon Trail laser cast 405 gr FP BT and new RP brass4570 Government 405 grain RNFP This is our favorite 45/70 load for casual plinking These bullets are custom made with a softer alloy that is ideal for the lower pressure and velocity of a proper Trapdoor load If you are a purist and can't wrap your head around shooting jacketed Trapdoor loadsthis one's for you4570 Government (Lee Precision Data) Warning!
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Reloader 7 for my 4570 I finally went to town and got some Reloader 7 and some remington 95 mag primers and am wanting to start working up a load When I tried it out, I had a box of PMC ammo with 405 grain soft point and they worked pretty good, so I sent off and got the dies and some Starline Brass and now heres my delimmaI think IMR4198 is a little faster so you should find specific load info for it Pretty good powder for the 4570 IMHO I use H4198 behind a 405 gr Remington, somewhere around 475 grains gives 1,861 fps from my 22" inch barrel This load is fast enough, very accurate, and gives no pressure problems IN MY RIFLE!
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4570 Magnum Lever Gun Ammo 405 gr JFN @ 2,000 fps/ME 3,597 ft lbs Round Box ITEM 8B PRESS RELEASE FOR BUFFALO BORE 4570 MAGNUMLEVER GUN (ITEMS 8A, 8B, 8C, 8D, and 8E) Our 4570 ammunition is externally identical to SAAMI spec 4570 ammo, but internally it generates FAR more power and pressureThe traditional4570 factory load is a 405 grain bullet (BC214, SD272) at a MV of 1330 fps, and a ME of 1590 ft lbs This is a very moderate load that kills well because of the penetration of its big, heavy bullet It has been used on all North American game, but The 4570 Government cartridge was developed at the US Army's Springfield Armory for its Springfield Model 1873 45 caliber rifle, commonly known as the Trapdoor Springfield The traditional 4570 load put a 405grain, 458caliber lead bullet over 70 grains of blackpowder, hence the 4570 designation, sometimes rendered 4570/405
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GR ALL 250 gr 300 gr 325 gr 350 gr 385 gr 400 gr 405 gr 4 gr 440 gr 460 gr 473 gr 485 gr 500 gr 525 gr 535 gr Bullet Type Primer Powder I have not found the need to look for anything better than Elmer's load, hence I cannot help with the 350 grain loads But I think a 00 fps load with 350 grain bullets in the 22" 45/70 sounds about right Elmer's 45/70 load with 400 grain bullet will beat any 450 Marlin Guide Gun with factory 350 grain ammo The 405 will not fire with just the primer, but the Lead balls will It is a complex process to get a 45/70 to sound like a BB gun and kill a coon with a body shot That keeps the powder charge down around one grain I suspect your noisy but accurate lite loads with 5 gr Unique and either of your bullets will do fine
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Hi gang, My son gave me a Older T/C Contender with a 10" 45/70 barrel The loads I use in my Sharps (Reloader 7 under a 405 grain lead bullet) are way to hot for this old man about took my hands off I have cast some 240 grain round nose bullets, but can't find any loading data for the lighter bullet I have listings for a 300gr jacketed45 70 Government Manufacturer Loading Data Pistol;The 1873 Springfield rifle saw minor improvements over the 1868 factory new breech loader At this time, a new cartridge was adopted, the4570 US Government The4570 fired a45 caliber 405 grain projectile over 70 grains of black powder for a muzzle velocity of roughly 10fps
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This is a 350 gr gas checked bullet from a RanchDog mold and delivers just over 1000 foot pounds at 0 yards You can tailor your load to deliver 1000 foot pounds at your longest expected hunting range getting that velocity and energy with a modern 4570 is an easy task and most hunters use lighter loads anyway to get that 1000 foot pounds Either way, I'm avoiding light loads from here on out Here are the loads that actually work for me, in my 4570 BFR with a 75" barrel at 30F and 5800' elevation (Low pressure plinking load) Starline brass Federal gold medal match magnum GM215M primers Oregon Trail 405 grain 458" hard cast bullets 45 grains of Varget (started at 40, worked upOne4570 load approximates the performance of the original4570 Govt black powder loading of a 405 grain bullet (307 BC) at 1350 feet per second while the other is a 325gr Hornady LEVERevolution factory load (230 BC) The3006 Springfield load is a 150 grain Nosler Partition (387 BC) at 3,000 feet per second
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Red dot as well as lots of other pistol powders are listed in manuals in loads for rifles especialy in cast bullet loads No fillers are called for in these loads straight from the manual (4570 safe in even the weakest versions) 300 grain jacketed bullet gr=1560 fps & psi gr=1905 fps & As stated above Its for a marlin guide gun in 4570 22" barrel Load is for 405 grain hard cast lead Reloader 7 is my preferred powder Says start 29 grains max 60 grains (upper end data probably isn't for a lever rifle) Strangely, the Alliant website doesn't list RL7 in 4570 data Says start 29 grains max 60 grains (upper end data4570 405 Grain FP Coated *** Limited Stock *** Two 100 count packages per customer, please Sol $3080 Qty Add to Wish List Add to Compare 4570 450 Grain RNFP COATED **Out of Stock** Sold in 100 Count Box These hard cast bullet is cast with 9262 certified
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Today's loads were at the minimum for 5744 at 243 grains Brass is WW and RP Primers are Federal 210 Bullets are 405 grain LRN Thank you Michael Spangler Range was 100 yards Group size was a bit disappointing It looked more like a couple rounds of 12 ga 00 buck The only thing speed will do is flatten the trajectory a bit and for a 45/70 all you need to do is learn the hold over I just watched a guy on youtube hit a steel plate with an 1860's whitworth rifle at 1,300 yard The 45/70 doesn't have an issue with penetration Its reputation was built on a grain bullet chugging along a 1300FPSWelcome to the Channel I am disposable762 and this is the place for gun and knife reviews, table top and field reviews for different gear and pieces of kit,
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Woodleigh FN, 405, 458", 2540", Ramshot XTerminator, 5, CCI 250, 1997 Reduce by 10% and work up slowly watching for signs of excessive pressure or velocity TAC has a burn rate similar to H45 Those powders are pushing the slow end of utility for the 4570 XTerminator is a better suited powder One likes one set of loads and the other a different set The complete original likes the lightest bullet with the lightest load, meaning 405 grain Lee Hollow Base bullet over 55 grains FFG The relined barrel 4570 prefers the heaviest bullet with the heaviest load, meaning 500 grain flat base bullet over 70 grains FFG The best range load for this powder, bullet and rifle seems to be around the 45 gr of IMR 3031 mark Even though I now had loads for 4570 using these 405 gr cast bullets, I wondered what Hornady 325 gr Leverevolution ammunition would chronograph It was travelling at 15 fps Again, this is 80 gr lighter bullet than the ones we were testing
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